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422 emails passed through my account this week, of which 320 were tagged OTW – !General and 126 were tagged OTW – Board. My calendar says 20 hours spent doing Org stuff this week – emails, meetings, chats, reading. I am going to pretend it is accurate because it makes me feel better about my time management skills and my weekend :p

The Board meeting was at 4am, I slept then read the transcript instead. This also happened for AD&T and DevMem *waves from the past*. I went to 1, count ‘em ONE actual meeting which was Wiki, where I got to see the team in action - all planning-ey and focused.

My Manifesto
went up on the OTW blogs, and a correction has been made for which I owe an apology to everyone who worked hard to form the Tag Wrangling Committee.
  • I would very much like to convey my gratitude that people felt comfortable enough to correct me, that I in no way intended to diminish or obscure the vast amount of work done by these people, and that I apologise for any hurt feelings and will try to be more considerate in future.
Updatey stuff in more detail
  • Board: I’m reading Still Willing to Serve results compiled by the fabulous VolCom; we discussed some tools, accounts and spending approved; there was some ferocious and heartfelt discussion about stuff I cannot talk about at present; some procedural stuff designed to make things flow better; a volunteer to write me drabble(s) based on the terrible fact that my name is occasionally spell-checked to Mafia Bubonic; and a lot of emails.
  • AD&T is deep in deploy planning (as always) but also planning an ‘interlude’ in May(ish) which would involve dedicated cross-committee communication and long term planning as well as my favourite goal: clean up some organizational cruft and infuse everything with the green-apple smell of sunshine and spring and rainbows.
  • DevMem is planning too, as is Wiki but I’m not sure how much of that is shareable so I shall err on the side of discretion for now.

Other stuff included trying to find a personality / communication style tool I was introduced to some years ago and failing but finding something close enough (I am totally Blue and would rank them Blue - Orange - Green – Gold). I also revisited Hofstede’s Cultural Dimensions – you can compare your country to another country!

Sometimes I hit communication problems and I’m thinking having a process where we can stop, tell people what we need, ask what they need, and THEN try to work through issues might make some things better. Plus I want people to get more into the habit of talking about how they feel, and how they are experiencing our meetings / chats / processes so we can spend less time on misunderstandings and more time on pictures of kittens and Org stuff.

Date: 2013-02-04 09:53 am (UTC)
agnieszkas: (Default)
From: [personal profile] agnieszkas
Your spell-check name sounds really cool, no wonder you get drabble(s) out of it.

and yay for the one meeting :) it was fun, let's not deny it :)

Date: 2013-02-04 11:24 am (UTC)
agnieszkas: (Default)
From: [personal profile] agnieszkas
Everybody's doing porn nowadays, but space pirates is still an undiscovered niche. Last thing you want to be is mainstream XD

And I'm glad to hear that. It probably shows but I really like what I do :)

Date: 2013-02-04 04:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fairestcat

Or, you know, more music videos and pictures of shirtless Sebastian Stan like there were at the end of the last meeting.

Date: 2013-02-04 07:19 pm (UTC)
juniperphoenix: Fire in the shape of a bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] juniperphoenix
I love personality typing. :) My favorite system is the Enneagram.

I'm a Green according to the quiz you linked to.

Date: 2013-02-08 12:09 am (UTC)
juniperphoenix: Fire in the shape of a bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] juniperphoenix
Cowering is a common reaction to first encounters with the Enneagram. :)

If you're interested in learning more about it, the Enneagram Institute website goes into more depth.

(I'm a Five, btw.)

Date: 2013-02-09 10:33 am (UTC)
unjapanologist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] unjapanologist
Haha, I did one of the tests back when you announced a session (?) on the Enneagram and was very resentful and suspicious of how accurate it was. Was a five as well.

Date: 2013-02-09 12:01 pm (UTC)
juniperphoenix: Fire in the shape of a bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] juniperphoenix
*secret Five handshake*

Date: 2013-02-11 01:34 am (UTC)
juniperphoenix: Fire in the shape of a bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] juniperphoenix
I can try to help you narrow it down if you want. If you'd rather I stop geeking out over your personality, that's cool, too. :)

Better late than never (1/2)

Date: 2013-08-01 10:44 am (UTC)
juniperphoenix: Fire in the shape of a bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] juniperphoenix
Here's some info about distinguishing between the types you mentioned. It comes from this page on the Enneagram Institute site. (Some sections of the site require [free] registration to access all the info.)

Misidentifying Ones and Twos

This is not a common mistype, but does occur when a wing is mistaken for the dominant type. In other words, 1w2s can sometimes be confused with 2w1s, but confusion is far less likely with 1w9s (owing to their reserved and relatively unemotional demeanor) and 2w3s (owing to their outgoing, effusive demeanor). Gender can influence this mistyping as well. Women who are 1w2s tend to see themselves as 2w1s, and men who are 2w1s may see themselves as 1w2s.

Both types are serious, and conscience-driven, both like to feel that they are of service, and both can be very altruistic; however, their styles and motivations differ significantly. Ones try to transcend the personal in their dealings, appealing to principles and the evident "rightness" of their positions or suggestions. Twos are highly personal and see their service in personal terms. Ones defend their autonomy–they do not want people to interfere with them. Twos seek close connection and even merging. Ones are restrained in the expression of their positive feelings although they let people know when they are dissatisfied or irritated. Twos may have difficulty with hostile or angry feelings, but they are fairly unrestrained in expressing their positive feelings.

Misidentifying Ones and Eights

Both Ones and Eights are in the Instinctive Triad, both have strong wills, both are action-oriented, and both have strong notions about how to do things. However, Ones try to convince others to do the right thing (as they see it) from the standpoint of a moral imperative–because it is the right thing to do. They try to logically convince the other of the soundness of their views, but become irritated and less logical when others resists their reasoning. Eights, on the other hand, rely on their own self-confidence, and attempt to sway others by their gutsy convictions and sheer personal charisma. ("I don't know if it's the right way, but it's my way.") Ones try to convert those who resist them: Eights try to power through them.

The greatest misunderstanding between these two types involves their concern with justice, although the nature of their sense of justice can be quite different. Ones hold justice as an extremely important value–many judges, attorneys, advocates, and criminal prosecutors actually are Ones. Ones think a great deal about issues of providing suitable standards for human beings and about the specifics of how to administer a fair and equitable system. Ones at all Levels of Development refer to justice and think that they seek justice (no matter how skewed their interpretation of it may become). In any case, justice is a matter of principles–part of their idealism. They strive after justice and want to rectify injustices wherever they find them because, among other reasons, to do otherwise would be to fail to live up to their high moral standards and make them feel guilty.

In Eights, justice is more of a visceral response, a reaction to witnessing injustices occurring. Eights, generally speaking, do not walk around thinking about these matters, but if they saw a helpless person being harmed or bullied by others, without thinking about it, Eights would rush in to "level the playing field." For Eights, justice has little to do with abstract principles. Eights see themselves as protectors of others, and when they are healthy, they actually are. Eights are more likely to seek justice for "their people"–their family, friends, co-workers, ethnic group, and so forth. It is usually expressed in a concern that those in their care (or under their power and authority) be treated fairly. The cowboy marshal protecting the town against criminals and the union chief negotiating a just wage for the rank and file are examples of this more restricted concern for justice. With Eights, the sense of justice usually involves addressing an imbalance of power. This is quite different from the One who seeks to make sure that people are appropriately rewarded for good actions and punished for bad ones.

Of course, in their unhealthy manifestations, both types can be extremely unjust. Ones will still believe that they are being fair–the punishments they are meting out are for the good of the person being punished, or at the very least, for the good of society. Ones feel they need to rationalize their punitive activities. Eights do not. For unhealthy Eights, administering justice is simply meting out vengeance. ("You hurt me or my people, and I'll destroy you." "He ripped me off. Now he has to pay.") Needless to say, others may question the "justice" in either of these types' unhealthy behavior.

The confusion between Eights and Ones probably also stems from the fact that some Ones may misidentify themselves as Eights since they would like to have the authority and influence of Eights. They may also recognize that they have aggressive impulses and misidentify themselves as an "aggressive type," although they are really compliant to their ideals; the Eight is the true aggressive type par excellence. On the other hand, Eights almost never misidentify themselves as Ones, viewing Ones as lily-livered and bloodless–moral only because they are too weak to be strong. Although Eights themselves are unlikely to think they are Ones, other people sometimes misidentify Eights as Ones because they see them as reformers. But clearly, many natural leaders, including Eights, lead reforms when they are needed. Contrasting Ones such as Pope John Paul II, Ralph Nader, and Hilary Clinton with Eights such as Lee Iococca, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Barbara Walters gives a vivid sense of their differences.

Misidentifying Twos and Eights

It is not difficult to see how Twos and Eights can be confused, although there is a world of difference between them. Some average Twos realize that they are forceful and dominating, two of the significant traits of Eights. A particularly aggressive Two may find himself or herself in a work-related role that requires leadership and discipline. For these and other reasons, it is possible for some Twos to misidentify themselves as Eights. This is especially true for male Twos, who, for cultural reasons, may prefer to emphasize these traits. (The difference even on these points, however, is that average Twos do not dominate others and their environment to extend their personal power. Twos do indeed dominate others, although indirectly: they may be overbearing and controlling, although always under the guise of being concerned for others. When Eights attempt to dominate, they make it clear that they are in a power struggle with the other.) Twos and Eights are nevertheless similar in the deep feelings and passion they bring to their relationships, although the expression of their feelings and the effects they have on others are quite different.

It is worth noting that both types struggle with underlying feelings of rejection, although they cope with these feelings in different ways. These feelings probably predispose both types to have stormy relationships and, should conflicts occur, to express their intense passions in interpersonal conflicts (Eights) or in covert neediness and manipulation (Twos).

The probable source of the confusion is that both types have strong wills and egos and a tendency to dominate others. Eights are openly aggressive, forceful, and egocentric, but are very direct in their communication. When Eights are not happy about something, they have no difficulty letting the other person know that they are angry or disappointed. Twos can also be aggressive, forceful, self-satisfied, ego centric, and so forth, although covertly, under an increasingly thin veneer of love. Twos have great difficulty communicating their anger openly, even though they may be very upset with someone. Thus, they use indirect approaches, trying to hint at, or failing that, to manipulate others into meeting their needs. By contrast, less healthy Eights intimidate people openly and when they are frustrated, they push harder to get what they want, possibly using direct threats. When Twos are frustrated, they try to make others feel guilty, especially by dramatizing the suffering they feel. Of course, as Twos become more overwhelmed by stress, they increasingly resemble Eights since Eight is the Two's Direction of Disintegration. Contrasting Twos such as Mother Teresa and Barbara Bush with Eights such as Indira Gandhi and former Governor of Texas, Ann Richards will yield more insight into these two types.

Better late than never (2/2)

Date: 2013-08-01 11:09 am (UTC)
juniperphoenix: Fire in the shape of a bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] juniperphoenix
Another way to think about this is to look at where the types are located on the Enneagram diagram. The Enneagram is a dynamic system and the positioning of the types on the diagram is significant. Looking at the context of a type and how it operates in the overall system can help to narrow things down.

Whichever type you are, one of the types on either side of it (referred to as your wing) will be a secondary influence for you. So if it turns out that you are a One or a Two, that could explain why you scored so highly on the other one.

I also often find it helpful to look at the directions of integration and disintegration. When a person feels particularly secure or stressed, they may exhibit traits of the types that are connected to them along the lines in the center of the diagram. For example, I'm a Five, which is connected to Seven and Eight. When I am under a lot of stress, I pick up some of the negative traits of Seven; when I'm feeling secure, I pick up some of the positive traits of Eight. (RE: your test results, notice that Two and Eight are connected in this way.)

So, for example, if you're trying to determine whether you're a One or a Two, look at what they're connected to and consider how you react under stress. Stressed-out Ones pick up traits of Four, while stressed Twos pick up traits of Eight.


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